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	<title>Comments on: Rude Swedes are not an oxymoron</title>
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	<description>Musings about Life in Socialist Sweden - Oh Yea, It&#039;s Awesome</description>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://lostinstockholm.com/2008/05/26/rude-swedes-are-not-an-oxymoron/#comment-140596</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not going to insult anyone bc that is just silly. 

I have always been interested in going to Sweden and of course I picked Stockholm as my point destination. I&#039;m an American from New York so big city attitudes don&#039;t surprise me. 
Are we complaining about stockholmers or the swedish? Like I said I&#039;ve never been so I really dont know how terrible the swedes are or aren&#039;t, however I do believe you&#039;ll find a certain level of rudness in any big city. I have been shoved and pushed and ignored (regarding customer service) and cursed at and even had a cup of coffee thrown at me here at home, but this doesn&#039;t mean all new yorkers or Americans are crazy rude people. I know some of us are overly demanding when it comes to being social. I have been accused of being rude and offstandish just bc I&#039;m quiet! Stupid really...

Some of you make it sound like Sweden is a nation of pretentiousness.
But I can&#039;t beleive this is true
I&#039;ll just have to find out for myself.

Regardless, I&#039;m lookinng forward to Sweden  : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to insult anyone bc that is just silly. </p>
<p>I have always been interested in going to Sweden and of course I picked Stockholm as my point destination. I&#8217;m an American from New York so big city attitudes don&#8217;t surprise me.<br />
Are we complaining about stockholmers or the swedish? Like I said I&#8217;ve never been so I really dont know how terrible the swedes are or aren&#8217;t, however I do believe you&#8217;ll find a certain level of rudness in any big city. I have been shoved and pushed and ignored (regarding customer service) and cursed at and even had a cup of coffee thrown at me here at home, but this doesn&#8217;t mean all new yorkers or Americans are crazy rude people. I know some of us are overly demanding when it comes to being social. I have been accused of being rude and offstandish just bc I&#8217;m quiet! Stupid really&#8230;</p>
<p>Some of you make it sound like Sweden is a nation of pretentiousness.<br />
But I can&#8217;t beleive this is true<br />
I&#8217;ll just have to find out for myself.</p>
<p>Regardless, I&#8217;m lookinng forward to Sweden  : )</p>
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		<title>By: Hemppa</title>
		<link>http://lostinstockholm.com/2008/05/26/rude-swedes-are-not-an-oxymoron/#comment-119712</link>
		<dc:creator>Hemppa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 05:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s rude to judge a culture according the expectations of your own culture.

As others have mentioned, tipping is not part of the culture, people don&#039;t even think about tips, possibly because the waiters don&#039;t have as bad salary, for example, and they are treated like anybody else.

Small talk is not part of the culture, that&#039;s just how it is. Exceptions exists, always, but in general.

Racism is very low, there&#039;s just slight reservedness toward exotic foreigners, but not much more than towards locals. North Europe in general, very polite and take others in consideration, to my experience. It&#039;s just that the initial impression may seem cold and distant, and can be understood wrong, among locals too. We are straightforward and say things of value, rather than endlessly blabber. You can endlessly blabber though, I think most wouldn&#039;t mind that at all, but you can reach the point when people wish you would shut your mouth already.

I live in Finland, but it&#039;s similar here. 

DON&#039;T go to Stockholm or Helsinki, if you can choose. I really dislike going to Helsinki and I&#039;ve been there quite a lot. Capitals give bad impressions of the countries as whole. Besides you want in the beautiful nature, rather than the concrete jungle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s rude to judge a culture according the expectations of your own culture.</p>
<p>As others have mentioned, tipping is not part of the culture, people don&#8217;t even think about tips, possibly because the waiters don&#8217;t have as bad salary, for example, and they are treated like anybody else.</p>
<p>Small talk is not part of the culture, that&#8217;s just how it is. Exceptions exists, always, but in general.</p>
<p>Racism is very low, there&#8217;s just slight reservedness toward exotic foreigners, but not much more than towards locals. North Europe in general, very polite and take others in consideration, to my experience. It&#8217;s just that the initial impression may seem cold and distant, and can be understood wrong, among locals too. We are straightforward and say things of value, rather than endlessly blabber. You can endlessly blabber though, I think most wouldn&#8217;t mind that at all, but you can reach the point when people wish you would shut your mouth already.</p>
<p>I live in Finland, but it&#8217;s similar here. </p>
<p>DON&#8217;T go to Stockholm or Helsinki, if you can choose. I really dislike going to Helsinki and I&#8217;ve been there quite a lot. Capitals give bad impressions of the countries as whole. Besides you want in the beautiful nature, rather than the concrete jungle.</p>
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		<title>By: Annette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 12:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was shoved in the street in Stockholm by randoms constantly barging past, my fashion sense laughed at by a 5 foot swedish freak wearing skinny ball-hugging jeans and a red cow boy hat (WTF did she come as?). The tourist information staff had none, not even a map, it was a nightmare. Even my 5 star hotel had mediocre service and they &#039;didn&#039;t know&#039; where the breakfast restaurant in the hotel was. The food was crap, coffee was D grade, and service so surly it made us laugh.We went to  a bunch of beautiful places but couldn&#039;t wait to get out The rest of Sweden was great though and people were normal. Not sure whats up with stockholmers but they have serious inferiority issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was shoved in the street in Stockholm by randoms constantly barging past, my fashion sense laughed at by a 5 foot swedish freak wearing skinny ball-hugging jeans and a red cow boy hat (WTF did she come as?). The tourist information staff had none, not even a map, it was a nightmare. Even my 5 star hotel had mediocre service and they &#8216;didn&#8217;t know&#8217; where the breakfast restaurant in the hotel was. The food was crap, coffee was D grade, and service so surly it made us laugh.We went to  a bunch of beautiful places but couldn&#8217;t wait to get out The rest of Sweden was great though and people were normal. Not sure whats up with stockholmers but they have serious inferiority issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://lostinstockholm.com/2008/05/26/rude-swedes-are-not-an-oxymoron/#comment-39686</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 01:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding tipping. I&#039;ve lived in Sweden all my life, and I actually see tipping to be almost a rude thing to do. I reason like the Japanese that it&#039;s charity, and by tipping you imply that the receiver needs the money, which becomes an insult. (The salary is relatively higher for a person employed at a restaurant in Sweden contra the US)

Now obviously I&#039;m not as extreme as the Japanese, if I received tip, I wouldn&#039;t complain. But I won&#039;t do it myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding tipping. I&#8217;ve lived in Sweden all my life, and I actually see tipping to be almost a rude thing to do. I reason like the Japanese that it&#8217;s charity, and by tipping you imply that the receiver needs the money, which becomes an insult. (The salary is relatively higher for a person employed at a restaurant in Sweden contra the US)</p>
<p>Now obviously I&#8217;m not as extreme as the Japanese, if I received tip, I wouldn&#8217;t complain. But I won&#8217;t do it myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Swede living in NYC since six years. Everyone of these complaints are ones you see and hear New Yorkers b*tch about on a daily basis. Pregnant women are standing on subways, people are slamming doors, service people ignore you and talk to their friends. The rest of the country will say it&#039;s New Yorkers, but personally I&#039;ve been to Virginia and Florida a few of times and had plenty of depressing and scary service experiences. It&#039;s just people being people...

I do love how American general culture makes it easier to interact with people you don&#039;t know very well. And I believe that there&#039;s a sort of social insecurity in Sweden that goes deeper than in most countries. 
It certainly doesn&#039;t make most Swedes miserable or self loathing or contemptious of other humans - it just makes them socially insecure, and it&#039;s annoying and contagious. But that&#039;s all.

One thing I have mixed feelings about is the gender equality issue. I definitely feel my rights are much better protected in Sweden. I would much, much rather raise a child in Sweden than here, for instance. 
On the other hand there&#039;s much less chivalry, which would be just fine if there was true equality, but can be problematic when men still wield much more power. 
I will admit that I grit my teeth whenever Americans and other people from more macho cultures go off on Swedish men for being rude and selfish. There is definitely something to be said for learning some self-reliance regardless of your gender!

In the end, any culture only goes so deep. I&#039;ve also noticed how people who move to a new culture - any new culture - go through these periods of infatuation and backlash, and despising and idealizing the culture of their homeland. This has much more to do with selective awareness and memory and attitude than reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Swede living in NYC since six years. Everyone of these complaints are ones you see and hear New Yorkers b*tch about on a daily basis. Pregnant women are standing on subways, people are slamming doors, service people ignore you and talk to their friends. The rest of the country will say it&#8217;s New Yorkers, but personally I&#8217;ve been to Virginia and Florida a few of times and had plenty of depressing and scary service experiences. It&#8217;s just people being people&#8230;</p>
<p>I do love how American general culture makes it easier to interact with people you don&#8217;t know very well. And I believe that there&#8217;s a sort of social insecurity in Sweden that goes deeper than in most countries.<br />
It certainly doesn&#8217;t make most Swedes miserable or self loathing or contemptious of other humans &#8211; it just makes them socially insecure, and it&#8217;s annoying and contagious. But that&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>One thing I have mixed feelings about is the gender equality issue. I definitely feel my rights are much better protected in Sweden. I would much, much rather raise a child in Sweden than here, for instance.<br />
On the other hand there&#8217;s much less chivalry, which would be just fine if there was true equality, but can be problematic when men still wield much more power.<br />
I will admit that I grit my teeth whenever Americans and other people from more macho cultures go off on Swedish men for being rude and selfish. There is definitely something to be said for learning some self-reliance regardless of your gender!</p>
<p>In the end, any culture only goes so deep. I&#8217;ve also noticed how people who move to a new culture &#8211; any new culture &#8211; go through these periods of infatuation and backlash, and despising and idealizing the culture of their homeland. This has much more to do with selective awareness and memory and attitude than reality.</p>
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		<title>By: N</title>
		<link>http://lostinstockholm.com/2008/05/26/rude-swedes-are-not-an-oxymoron/#comment-22755</link>
		<dc:creator>N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Swede living in China.
I have a lot (almost only) friends/aquintances from America/England/Australia/Canada/etc.

They say EXACTLY the same things about Chinese people.

Why do you think that is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Swede living in China.<br />
I have a lot (almost only) friends/aquintances from America/England/Australia/Canada/etc.</p>
<p>They say EXACTLY the same things about Chinese people.</p>
<p>Why do you think that is?</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 18:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hehe haven’t read the rest of your blog but I&#039;m just assuming that you are in Stockholm?
I can&#039;t say I experience that anywhere ells then when I&#039;m visiting our beloved capital city :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehe haven’t read the rest of your blog but I&#8217;m just assuming that you are in Stockholm?<br />
I can&#8217;t say I experience that anywhere ells then when I&#8217;m visiting our beloved capital city :P</p>
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		<title>By: Princess</title>
		<link>http://lostinstockholm.com/2008/05/26/rude-swedes-are-not-an-oxymoron/#comment-20477</link>
		<dc:creator>Princess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@citizenLen - thanks for the translation I think maybe Henrik has a few issues with Swedes and with English translation!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@citizenLen &#8211; thanks for the translation I think maybe Henrik has a few issues with Swedes and with English translation!!</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenLen</title>
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		<dc:creator>CitizenLen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 23:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll translate the Swedish above for English speakers:

&quot;Swedes (regardless of city/place/county, age, social class etc.) are brusque, rude, cold, arrogant and full of self-loathing.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll translate the Swedish above for English speakers:</p>
<p>&#8220;Swedes (regardless of city/place/county, age, social class etc.) are brusque, rude, cold, arrogant and full of self-loathing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Henrik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henrik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sad to say this, but it&#039;s true: Svenskar (oavsett stad/ort/län, ålder, klass etc.) är ohyffsade, oartiga, kyliga, arroganta och fulla av självförakt (no need to translate it to English).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sad to say this, but it&#8217;s true: Svenskar (oavsett stad/ort/län, ålder, klass etc.) är ohyffsade, oartiga, kyliga, arroganta och fulla av självförakt (no need to translate it to English).</p>
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